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buildsjets 1 days ago [-]
Well, at least we can all enjoy a healthy salad instead.
inigyou 24 hours ago [-]
Uh, about that...
mikestorrent 23 hours ago [-]
If people would stop putting lettuce in Greek salads we'd be FINE
sdcfgy 22 hours ago [-]
That’s quite possibly the worst thing I’ve ever heard.
Iolaum 21 hours ago [-]
What? lettuce is not part of the traditional greek salad recipe.
sdcfgy 21 hours ago [-]
Exactly. It's a travesty that people are putting lettuce in Greek salad.
jonathanstrange 21 hours ago [-]
Technically speaking, you cannot put lettuce in a Greek salad because it will by definition cease to be a Greek salad once lettuce has been added.
Edit: Wait a moment. You can put lettuce i a Greek salad. It just happens not to be a Greek salad afterwards. A subtle difference.
sdcfgy 20 hours ago [-]
Salad of Theseus?
inigyou 57 minutes ago [-]
That would still be Greek
tacomagick 19 hours ago [-]
Reminds me of the chefs that take a base soup and just change/add a single ingredient to make bunch of other soups just to fill their food schedule quotas for the month since they cannot serve the same soup every day.
stockresearcher 16 hours ago [-]
Yeah, North American chefs will generally call the base a mirepoix, but it’s got different names in different languages. It turns out that this soup base concept is remarkably similar across cultures and continents (though the actual vegetables used are based on what’s grown locally).
That's only about 50 cows. This isn't a big recall.
Total slaughter of cows in Texas is about 1.8 million head per year.
dlcarrier 22 hours ago [-]
To put it in another context, it's half of the maximum payload of a refrigerated shipping container.
cosmicgadget 23 hours ago [-]
You can get 30k pounds of beef from 50 cows?
blooalien 23 hours ago [-]
> You can get 30k pounds of beef from 50 cows?
This article [1] says you get about 500-ish pounds of beef from one cow, so 25,000-ish pounds from 50 cows? They weren't massively far off the mark there.
About 500 pounds of "take home packaged beef". At the import level it's usually "hanging weight" of a beef carcass before butchering, about 700 pounds. In this case, according to Beef Magazine [1], there had been some preliminary butchering at the sending end , with the take home packages to be made up at the local supermarket, which would result in some midrange weight per cow.
More to the point, Beef Magazine reports this as an ordinary inspection failure event.
It's a recall because, for some reason, the beef didn't go through USDA incoming inspection, and this wasn't discovered until three months later, long after the beef had been sold, and probably consumed. That's a failure of Customs and Border Protection, which is supposed to make sure that doesn't happen. Beef Magazine says that's an automatic trigger for a Class I recall. It's not a political decision.
Unlike the CBS article, the Beef Magazine article names the shipper and gives the lot numbers of the recalled beef. The Beef Magazine author has a degree in agricultural production, teaches Animal and Range Science at Montana State University, and worked their way up from cattle ranch foreman to director of Montana’s Beef Quality Assurance program. He probably knows something about beef.
The CBS author has a degree in Law and Public Policy and has given a TED talk. His LinkedIn profile says he is "one of America's leading food safety advocates." I'd go with what Beef Magazine says here.
> About 500 pounds of "take home packaged beef". At the import level it's usually "hanging weight" of a beef carcass before butchering, about 700 pounds.
I'm fine with "about 700 pounds", but that's still not too far off from the 30k pounds the original comment stated for around 50 cows (just over a bit instead of under a bit), so it still holds true that their guesstimate isn't all that far off-base.
mysterydip 16 hours ago [-]
“According to Beef Magazine” wasn’t a phrase I expected to read today, but I’m delighted to add it to my lexicon
glitchbot 16 hours ago [-]
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Animats 10 hours ago [-]
Specialty sources, the ones people in the affected industry read, tend to be reasonably accurate, because their readership knows the subject and will notice errors. If you want to know which data centers in Dubai were hit by Iranian attacks, the mainstream press and Dubai influencers are useless, but there are data center status sites that have solid info. If you want to know what's getting through the Strait of Hormuz, the info from politicians is useless, but there are shipping sites that name ships and keep stats. If you want to know where GPS is being jammed, there's a tracker site run for aircraft dispatchers. If you want to know what's going on with "return to office", there are commercial real estate sites that have a good idea, including one that gets data from office building entry systems.
Hence looking at Beef Magazine for info about beef.
No, I'm not going to post links. Do your own work. Or get an LLM to do it for you.
toomuchtodo 6 hours ago [-]
This is a systemic failure indicator. This was a shipment rejected by China for safety reasons. The US beef import supply chain is compromised.
> China rejected a 22-tonne Argentine beef shipment over a banned antibiotic in March. Here's what Trump's quota actually changed, the 29,628 lb recall nobody covered, and why the package won't tell you.
> The shipment came from the ArreBeef plant in Pérez Millán, Buenos Aires province. It was roughly 22 tonnes, about 48,500 pounds, and China's General Administration of Customs rejected the whole container after detecting chloramphenicol residue, then suspended imports from that facility while it worked out what happened.
> China's standard here is zero. There's no "acceptable level" of chloramphenicol in food, so any detectable trace is grounds for refusal. That's why one positive result turns into a rejected container instead of a fine.
> The standard is zero because of what the drug does. Chloramphenicol can cause aplastic anemia, a bone-marrow failure that's rare, unpredictable, unrelated to dose, and frequently fatal. The IARC classified it as Group 2A, "probably carcinogenic to humans," in Volume 50 (1990), and the US National Toxicology Program's Report on Carcinogens lists it as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen. It's still used in human medicine for a handful of severe infections where nothing else works. It's not supposed to be anywhere near a cow.
30,000 split 50 ways is 800lbs per cow (270kg), seems not unrealistic.
Even if you halve the yield to 400lbs then it's only 100 cows
sehansen 21 hours ago [-]
800 lbs is 360 kg, but I think you meant 600 lbs per cow. Still seems realistic.
usefulcat 1 days ago [-]
"Since Trump’s announcement, Detwiler said, online discussion has fueled confusion about what is happening with beef imports and the recall."
Articles like this one aren't exactly helping either.
burnt-resistor 19 hours ago [-]
So about this quota* of imported beef of secret origin(s) that won't meet regulations: I guess it will be a gamble which will contain e. coli, s. aureus, salmonella, listeria, or mad cow, given that country of origin (CoO) labeling nor lot codes aren't required for retail, processed food, or restaurant sale for ground beef. It can be produced with absolutely zero standards.
* Quota amount of ground beef is 6.7% of yearly consumption: 330k short tons / 660M lbs / 300M kg
US ground beef consumption per year: 4.89M short tons / 9.77B lbs / 4.43B kg
inemesitaffia 16 hours ago [-]
It hasn't been inspected
burnt-resistor 11 hours ago [-]
So it could be horse, UK style.
anevst 23 hours ago [-]
Am I the only one that finds the ”30 kilo pounds” quite entertaining?
pfix 20 hours ago [-]
No, I looked at that quizzically as well :D
vel0city 15 hours ago [-]
My friends don't like it when I use terms like "kilomiles"
malshe 13 hours ago [-]
Personally I prefer kiloyards but kilomiles is nice too
anigbrowl 6 hours ago [-]
Centifurlongs or go home
tclancy 20 hours ago [-]
What? I have that much beef for breakfast with a couple of Brawndos.
abduhl 17 hours ago [-]
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JohnTHaller 1 days ago [-]
Meanwhile, the administration is planning to import 661,000,000 lbs of beef to try to reduce record high prices but refuses to say where it will come from.
inigyou 24 hours ago [-]
Would those be the high prices he created by importing millions of invasive foreign screw worm flies?
testdelacc1 24 hours ago [-]
Of all the many things he did, I argue that this is the stupidest, most pointless and damaging thing he did. There was no upside to doing it. He went out of his way to destroy a program that had been running successfully out of sheer stupidity. He mainly hurt his voters (cattle farmers in rural areas), not democrats. It hurt him on the biggest issue he ran on - inflation.
It was a massive unforced error that he’s been scrambling for months to fix.
He could literally have done nothing and it would have been better.
Almost all of his other missteps and mistakes can be rationalised - there was some benefit to himself or someone who bribed him or voted for him. But this screwworm thing just perfectly encapsulates him as a person and his presidency as a whole - something works well for 70 years to protect Americans and he destroys it through malicious incompetence.
> He could literally have done nothing and it would have been better.
Struggling to find a policy where that doesn't apply.
If he'd gotten elected and then gone and lived on the golf course for four years it's hard to argue things would be worse on the other side of the pond.
blitzar 21 hours ago [-]
Remember he ended the brutal unsolvable war between Azerbaijan and Albania - when you are operating on that level you get a pass for these minor oversights.
testdelacc1 20 hours ago [-]
Poor Albania, drawn into a war they didn’t even know they were a part of until Trump mentioned it.
blitzar 16 hours ago [-]
Fortunately for them, it felt like it was over before it even began.
athrowaway3z 22 hours ago [-]
Did you just forget about Iran?
testdelacc1 20 hours ago [-]
I think Iran was an enormous blunder that hurt everyone around the world, and will for a long time. But at least I can see what he was aiming for - the acclaim for winning a war and bringing a long time foe to heel. He was sold an easy war by Netanyanhu and being gullible he was easily convinced.
There was a reasonable, desirable goal he was aiming for.
But this screwworm thing is so stupid simply because there was no upside to it. It just hurt Americans, especially Trump voters. No one benefited other than screwworms now feasting on American cattle.
inigyou 13 hours ago [-]
It reduced government spending and gave billionaires more poor people tears to drink.
atmavatar 23 hours ago [-]
That's almost like disbanding the CDC's pandemic response team mere months before a once in a lifetime global pandemic.
And then he was re-elected.
Unfortunately, it would seem that stupid, unnecessary, self-own changes are not a red line for a significant fraction of the voting public.
swed420 17 hours ago [-]
> That's almost like disbanding the CDC's pandemic response team mere months before a once in a lifetime global pandemic.
Both parties of capital interests have lots of blood on their hands for the intentional mishandling of the pandemic (which has not ended) in the name of propping up our archaic consumption-first economies.
Only one of them fired the pandemic response team right before a global pandemic.
The pandemic did end, because it turned into an endemic, meaning it is now an endemic and not a pandemic, meaning the pandemic part of it went away. Endemic is another word for "like a pandemic, but never ends".
Loudergood 23 hours ago [-]
Doge was full of these, just in areas that you don't understand.
testdelacc1 20 hours ago [-]
Yeah ok, that’s very plausible. I’m limited my by knowledge, so this screwworm thing is the worst, most pointless blunder that I know of.
jawilson2 11 hours ago [-]
You also have to remember that he probably also pocketed a massive bribe. Follow the grift.
inemesitaffia 16 hours ago [-]
The screwworm thing is straight up misinformation end to end.
I remember looking into it when it happened.
It's believed the vector is smuggled cows/beef.
ButlerianJihad 1 days ago [-]
Cows, hopefully
mech422 24 hours ago [-]
green cows ?
goshx 23 hours ago [-]
On an unrelated note, the government is rounding up protected wild horses and sending them to slaughterhouses.
beloch 21 hours ago [-]
The imported beef will most likely come from all the usual suppliers. Australia. New Zealand. Argentina, right after a recall of Argentinian beef. Canada, just as Trump is renaming bodies of water and raising taxes on his own citizens to spite. etc..
expedition32 20 hours ago [-]
Wait I thought the US was a free market economy? The government doesn't import anything that's what supermarkets do.
throwaway173738 16 hours ago [-]
The government controls imports by tariffs and inspections and so on.
TranquilMarmot 24 hours ago [-]
No better time to consider going vegetarian or cutting out red meat, even one day a week can make a huge difference.
King-Aaron 23 hours ago [-]
Just remember that a big part of project 2025 was to reduce oversight in the food industry to disrupt trust in the system.
What makes you think this is “evil and self-serving”? It affects a relatively small quantity of specific products from a specific supplier with specific use-by dates.
In any case, this is Argentinian beef, not Canadian or something. Isn’t the US administration pretty friendly with the right-wing populist Argentinian government?
They are, leads me to wonder if something was found and the limited hangout is a paperwork snafu. Considering the administration is loudly trying to bring beef prices down via imports, it would look doubly bad if tainted beef came from Trump's bff.
kotaKat 19 hours ago [-]
So there's some context as well with Argentina beef.
Argentina's been paying Huawei for 5G gear and services with beef direct to China, who's been selling it via Huawei stores (see https://www.huaweimossel.com/).
Earlier in March a shipment of ~22 tons of beef was rejected by China for having antibiotics in it and was 'contaminated'.
Follow the trail...
Reason077 5 hours ago [-]
This was back in 2024, when Argentina used to have severe restrictions on foreign exchange in an effort to (artificially) prop up the value of the Peso. This made it difficult for Argentine companies to purchase the foreign currency needed to import things like 5G equipment, hence this weird beef-for-telecoms equipment deal.
Argentina liberalised its Foreign exchange market in April 2025 so I'd imagine this sort of thing is no longer happening.
0xbadcafebee 23 hours ago [-]
Trump promoted the sale of the beef at a discount a week ago on Truth Social, and now the beef is recalled. Clearly it was bad beef, and he and his cronies made a mint fire-selling it, while American businesses take a loss. Pretty basic corruption.
Reason077 6 hours ago [-]
Except this recall was originally announced on August 7th, predating Trump’s imported beef announcement/promotion by a few weeks?
20 hours ago [-]
ajross 1 days ago [-]
Honestly more than half of this sort of mess is incompetence rather than malice. But... yeah, sigh. Our grandkids just aren't going to believe what it was like.
deepfriedbits 23 hours ago [-]
Usually I'm with you. In these instances, there's a ton of malice, however, with what DOGE did and the relentless drive from conservatism to shrink government and regulations (many of which aim to protect consumers).
somenameforme 22 hours ago [-]
If you look at the trajectory of things since the turn of the century, let alone prior, it's more likely that we'll be recounting stories of today as the 'good ole days.' We didn't start the fire. It was always burning, since the world's been turning. No we didn't light it, and we tried to fight it.
guywithahat 1 days ago [-]
> Our grandkids just aren't going to believe what it was like
You mean reading about beef recalls? Yeah they'll be shocked
add-sub-mul-div 1 days ago [-]
Which interpretation of your comment do you think makes you look better: that you're pretending not to understand the point being made, or that you truly don't understand the point being made?
guywithahat 13 hours ago [-]
So you think this comment:
> Our grandkids just aren't going to believe what it was like
Is appropriate for recalling ~30 cows worth of beef? There is no secret point being made, it's just average things happening while certain people overreact.
anigbrowl 6 hours ago [-]
It's a synecdoche for the broader pattern of ruinous self-owns.
add-sub-mul-div 12 hours ago [-]
You're expected to understand at a high level the incompetence and corruption that's being referenced as having led to this.
You can disagree with the take, but being ignorant of it doesn't make sense.
guywithahat 10 hours ago [-]
This is a post about beef being recalled.
Broadly though, the belief that "current X politician from Y party is the worst, most corrupt politician ever" is a childish belief. I've heard it said about every president and high-ranking politician in my lifetime and it is not remarkable. Frankly the Biden scandals where his son was cutting him into foreign payments seemed worse, and there's no reason to think this beef import had anything to do with corruption, and certainly not at the presidential level.
boolol 23 hours ago [-]
The person you’re responding to would be pretty upset with you if they could read
Edit: Wait a moment. You can put lettuce i a Greek salad. It just happens not to be a Greek salad afterwards. A subtle difference.
Total slaughter of cows in Texas is about 1.8 million head per year.
This article [1] says you get about 500-ish pounds of beef from one cow, so 25,000-ish pounds from 50 cows? They weren't massively far off the mark there.
[1]: https://cattledaily.com/how-much-meat-do-you-get-from-one-co...
More to the point, Beef Magazine reports this as an ordinary inspection failure event. It's a recall because, for some reason, the beef didn't go through USDA incoming inspection, and this wasn't discovered until three months later, long after the beef had been sold, and probably consumed. That's a failure of Customs and Border Protection, which is supposed to make sure that doesn't happen. Beef Magazine says that's an automatic trigger for a Class I recall. It's not a political decision.
Unlike the CBS article, the Beef Magazine article names the shipper and gives the lot numbers of the recalled beef. The Beef Magazine author has a degree in agricultural production, teaches Animal and Range Science at Montana State University, and worked their way up from cattle ranch foreman to director of Montana’s Beef Quality Assurance program. He probably knows something about beef.
The CBS author has a degree in Law and Public Policy and has given a TED talk. His LinkedIn profile says he is "one of America's leading food safety advocates." I'd go with what Beef Magazine says here.
[1] https://www.beefmagazine.com/market-news/argentine-beef-reca...
I'm fine with "about 700 pounds", but that's still not too far off from the 30k pounds the original comment stated for around 50 cows (just over a bit instead of under a bit), so it still holds true that their guesstimate isn't all that far off-base.
Hence looking at Beef Magazine for info about beef.
No, I'm not going to post links. Do your own work. Or get an LLM to do it for you.
> China rejected a 22-tonne Argentine beef shipment over a banned antibiotic in March. Here's what Trump's quota actually changed, the 29,628 lb recall nobody covered, and why the package won't tell you.
> The shipment came from the ArreBeef plant in Pérez Millán, Buenos Aires province. It was roughly 22 tonnes, about 48,500 pounds, and China's General Administration of Customs rejected the whole container after detecting chloramphenicol residue, then suspended imports from that facility while it worked out what happened.
> China's standard here is zero. There's no "acceptable level" of chloramphenicol in food, so any detectable trace is grounds for refusal. That's why one positive result turns into a rejected container instead of a fine.
> The standard is zero because of what the drug does. Chloramphenicol can cause aplastic anemia, a bone-marrow failure that's rare, unpredictable, unrelated to dose, and frequently fatal. The IARC classified it as Group 2A, "probably carcinogenic to humans," in Volume 50 (1990), and the US National Toxicology Program's Report on Carcinogens lists it as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen. It's still used in human medicine for a handful of severe infections where nothing else works. It's not supposed to be anywhere near a cow.
https://tallow.app/blog/china-rejected-argentina-beef-chlora...
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trump-beef-import-plan-backlash-18...
Even if you halve the yield to 400lbs then it's only 100 cows
Articles like this one aren't exactly helping either.
* Quota amount of ground beef is 6.7% of yearly consumption: 330k short tons / 660M lbs / 300M kg
US ground beef consumption per year: 4.89M short tons / 9.77B lbs / 4.43B kg
It was a massive unforced error that he’s been scrambling for months to fix.
He could literally have done nothing and it would have been better.
Almost all of his other missteps and mistakes can be rationalised - there was some benefit to himself or someone who bribed him or voted for him. But this screwworm thing just perfectly encapsulates him as a person and his presidency as a whole - something works well for 70 years to protect Americans and he destroys it through malicious incompetence.
More info about how the program worked - America’s never ending battle against flesh eating worms (2020) - https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/05/flesh-ea...
Struggling to find a policy where that doesn't apply.
If he'd gotten elected and then gone and lived on the golf course for four years it's hard to argue things would be worse on the other side of the pond.
There was a reasonable, desirable goal he was aiming for.
But this screwworm thing is so stupid simply because there was no upside to it. It just hurt Americans, especially Trump voters. No one benefited other than screwworms now feasting on American cattle.
And then he was re-elected.
Unfortunately, it would seem that stupid, unnecessary, self-own changes are not a red line for a significant fraction of the voting public.
Both parties of capital interests have lots of blood on their hands for the intentional mishandling of the pandemic (which has not ended) in the name of propping up our archaic consumption-first economies.
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/how-the-press-manufactured-co...
The pandemic did end, because it turned into an endemic, meaning it is now an endemic and not a pandemic, meaning the pandemic part of it went away. Endemic is another word for "like a pandemic, but never ends".
I remember looking into it when it happened.
It's believed the vector is smuggled cows/beef.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/project-2025-plan...
In any case, this is Argentinian beef, not Canadian or something. Isn’t the US administration pretty friendly with the right-wing populist Argentinian government?
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ra...
Argentina's been paying Huawei for 5G gear and services with beef direct to China, who's been selling it via Huawei stores (see https://www.huaweimossel.com/).
Earlier in March a shipment of ~22 tons of beef was rejected by China for having antibiotics in it and was 'contaminated'.
Follow the trail...
Argentina liberalised its Foreign exchange market in April 2025 so I'd imagine this sort of thing is no longer happening.
You mean reading about beef recalls? Yeah they'll be shocked
> Our grandkids just aren't going to believe what it was like
Is appropriate for recalling ~30 cows worth of beef? There is no secret point being made, it's just average things happening while certain people overreact.
You can disagree with the take, but being ignorant of it doesn't make sense.
Broadly though, the belief that "current X politician from Y party is the worst, most corrupt politician ever" is a childish belief. I've heard it said about every president and high-ranking politician in my lifetime and it is not remarkable. Frankly the Biden scandals where his son was cutting him into foreign payments seemed worse, and there's no reason to think this beef import had anything to do with corruption, and certainly not at the presidential level.